Sorry everyone, I've been fairly busy of late but have now updated the guidelines with the suggestions from the earlier threads. Not much has changed, but you can give them a read here: https://beer.fandom.com/d/g .

For now, the off-topic discussions rule (allowing discussions and images not about beer) that was debated on will take the form of a post specifically made for off-topic discussion. Any off-topic discussion that is not included on this thread will be deleted. These threads will be made weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly and may be replaced with an off-topic category instead, depending on how this all plays out soon. Reminder that rules do still apply to these threads, they are not "free-for-alls".

You may consider this post to be the first off-topic thread. Have fun.

After going through all the suggestions that were given in the previous thread, I've compiled a revised set of guidelines for the community. These are not concrete yet and I would like to hear feedback on them from everyone. There are also a matter that seems undecided on, which will be addressed at the end of this post.

Revised Guidelines Draft

1. Be nice and treat people with respect. Keep discussions civil and be open-minded about differing opinions.

2. Threads and posts that solicit upvotes will be deleted.

3. Impersonation of other users or famous people will not be tolerated. If you have been banned and return on a new account, your posts will be deleted and your new account(s) will be banned.

4. Spamming, trolling, or vandalizing of any kind will be deleted and will lead to your account being banned. Off-topic conversations not in the off-topic thread (or category, more on this later) will also be deleted.

5. Ask for help. Notice something that doesn't seem right? Or do you just have a question? Contact Wikia staff through "Give feedback" on the Settings screen.

6. All users must remember to abide by Fandom's Terms of Use in addition to our local guidelines. https://www.fandom.com/terms-of-use

Topic Unresolved

In the last post there was debate over whether off-topic conversations should be restricted to a single staff-made thread every week or if they should be quarantined to a single category for off-topic. All the users involved in this debate made good arguments for their positions, so I'd like to see what users' thoughts on this is. Note that in either case off-topic conversations will be deleted if they are not in the correct location, that will be the same regardless of which version of the rule is chosen.

Suggestions Not Listed

If your suggestion was not listed above I do not want you to assume you were ignored, as each suggestion was read through in prep for this draft. Below are the justifications for why some were not included.

•Specified profanities rule- Something pointed out regarding a rule like this is that people would inevitably find ways around it by using/coming up with other profanities. In addition, Fandom's ToU does already have a generic profanities rule, so it is somewhat redundant (though this could be said about some other guidelines mirrored in the ToU).

•Unrestricted off-topic threads- The issue with this is that there are some rules that must be followed here. A thread where off-topic is allowed is sensical, but not one where there's absolutely no rules.

•No rules- There will be rules

Greetings everyone. As previously mentioned in the moderation announcement a little over a week ago, I thought it necessary for the community to discuss their thoughts on the current guidelines here on discussions and, possibly, how to change them. Something I would like to establish before this begins is that the inclusion of Fandom ToU guidelines is non-negotiable. These include prohibiting hate speech, bullying, impersonation, etc and must be followed by all wiki communities.

If you have any suggestions for ways a guideline may be changed, or something that should be added, please comment here. Please also justify your suggestion; explain why it makes sense and might be beneficial to the community. You can also debate what other users have suggested, if you see something wrong with it or believe it could be handled in a different way.

Current Guidelines

1. Be nice and treat people with respect. Keep discussions civil and be open-minded about differing opinions.

2. Threads and posts that solicit upvotes will be deleted.

3. Off-topic conversations will be deleted.

4. Impersonation of other users or famous people will not be tolerated. If you have been banned and return on a new account, your posts will be deleted and your new account(s) will be banned.

5. Spamming, trolling, or vandalizing of any kind will be deleted and will lead to your account being banned.

6. Ask for help. Notice something that doesn't seem right? Or do you just have a question? Contact Wikia staff through "Give feedback" on the Settings screen.

Personal Suggestions

•Merge guidelines 3 and 5. These are similar enough in meaning and concept to become a single merged guideline.

•Introduce an "off-topic thread" where discussion unrelated to beer is allowed (other guidelines still apply). Off-topic conversations remain prohibited elsewhere on Discussions and will be deleted as spam.

•Add a link to Fandom's Terms of Use, as not all users are aware that these exist/what they are.

I should also note that we have our first local Discussions Moderator, Rhino Schneider the III! Originally this discussion would have come after dmod decisions were made, but after speaking with global dmods it was decided to hold off on selecting any other users for the position for a bit.

Good morning everyone, at least here on the US EC. As a minor number of you may have heard I made a request to Fandom to adopt this wiki and it was granted. I've only made a few posts here on discussions and am much more present on the editing side so I should introduce myself:

My username is Saxhleel12, but you may also call me Sax, Des, or Lee; however you prefer. I have been using Fandom wikis since around 2016 and became a discussions moderator on the Fallout Wiki over a year ago. Barring the ill-fated GreedFall Wiki this is my first time administrating a wiki. I officially joined the Beer Wiki back in September upon hearing of Rhino Schneider's campaign to fix this place up, and since then I've been editing pages.

To address some concerns that I am very sure many of you will have:

•There will be no abrupt change to anything happening on the Beer Wiki. Y'all have been without local staff for a hell of a time and nobody can expect the situation to change straight overnight. I will be laying out steps over the next couple months to adjust things, beginning with hearing the community's thoughts on guidelines and moderation.

•There will be some modification to existing guidelines that will go through community discussion. In the next week I will be posting a forum (or a discussion, since forums are going the way of the buffalo now) asking all of you to contribute ideas on what to add/ remove/ change about the guidelines. However, any rule found in Fandom's Terms of Use will and must be present in our own guidelines. That part is non-debatable.

Onto the next important matter, I am looking into getting 2-3 local discussions moderators for the Beer Wiki. As previously stated I am a dmod on another wiki but here I have more familiarity with editing, and I feel that it would be best to have familiar people from discussions moderating in addition to myself. There is already one individual who you can probably guess that I will be asking to help moderate, and several others that I am considering based on what I've seen. If you'd like to nominate yourself or another user, a discussion for that will be posted in a couple days. Note that for anyone who nominates themselves/accepts a nomination I will be studying their past posts on the wiki. Obviously no one can be perfect (especially in a community that has had little moderation), so I'm not looking into specific past rulebreaking so much as traits that may be good/bad for a candidate.

If anyone has any questions about something I have not addressed here, please ask them. If you don't want to do it here my talk page/ message wall is always open as well.